(this should concern everyone whether they approve of what Snowden did or not. What Holder admitted here is basically that our government does indeed torture people)
One of the things I never expected to read was a promise by any United States official that a potential defendant in a criminal prosecution by our federal courts "will not be tortured."
The idea that the Attorney General of the United States of America would send such a letter to the representative of a foreign government, particularly Russia under the leadership of a former KGB official, was so preposterous that I thought the first news report I read about Attorney General Holder's letter concerning Edward Snowden was satire. The joke, however, was on me. The Obama and Bush administrations have so disgraced the reputation of the United States' criminal justice system that we are forced to promise KGB alums that we will not torture our own citizens if Russia extradites them for prosecution.
The standard joke that came to mind when I read Holder's letter was the bartender who brings out glasses to three customers and asks "which of you ordered his whiskey in a clean glass?" We take it for granted that no restaurant or bar will knowingly serve us our drinks in a dirty glass. I always took it for granted that no U.S. attorney general would knowingly allow a criminal suspect in U.S. custody to be the victim of torture, raped, branded, or a host of other forms of brutality.
It is difficult to conceive of why Holder would humiliate America by promising Russia that we would not torture Snowden were Russia to extradite him. Perhaps it was a clever propaganda ploy by Russia that Holder fell for like a rube (reprising his infamous failure when he was "played" by the fugitive Marc Rich's lawyers to deliver via President Clinton one of the most embarrassing pardons in presidential history).
More likely, Holder is under so much pressure from the intelligence "community" to punish Snowden that he thought he was being clever by promising Russia that we would not torture our own citizens -- in this particular case. Holder phrased his explanation in a manner that suggests he was trying to be clever: "Torture is unlawful in the United States." "Gitmo," of course, is not "in the United States." The locations of the many secret prisons the U.S. established in other nations were chosen so that we could torture suspects. The infamous historical parallel for this is that it was unlawful to hold slaves in England -- but England could dominate the Atlantic slave trade and hold millions of slaves in the Caribbean islands because slavery was unlawful only "in" England under English law.
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One of the things I never expected to read was a promise by any United States official that a potential defendant in a criminal prosecution by our federal courts "will not be tortured."
The idea that the Attorney General of the United States of America would send such a letter to the representative of a foreign government, particularly Russia under the leadership of a former KGB official, was so preposterous that I thought the first news report I read about Attorney General Holder's letter concerning Edward Snowden was satire. The joke, however, was on me. The Obama and Bush administrations have so disgraced the reputation of the United States' criminal justice system that we are forced to promise KGB alums that we will not torture our own citizens if Russia extradites them for prosecution.
The standard joke that came to mind when I read Holder's letter was the bartender who brings out glasses to three customers and asks "which of you ordered his whiskey in a clean glass?" We take it for granted that no restaurant or bar will knowingly serve us our drinks in a dirty glass. I always took it for granted that no U.S. attorney general would knowingly allow a criminal suspect in U.S. custody to be the victim of torture, raped, branded, or a host of other forms of brutality.
It is difficult to conceive of why Holder would humiliate America by promising Russia that we would not torture Snowden were Russia to extradite him. Perhaps it was a clever propaganda ploy by Russia that Holder fell for like a rube (reprising his infamous failure when he was "played" by the fugitive Marc Rich's lawyers to deliver via President Clinton one of the most embarrassing pardons in presidential history).
More likely, Holder is under so much pressure from the intelligence "community" to punish Snowden that he thought he was being clever by promising Russia that we would not torture our own citizens -- in this particular case. Holder phrased his explanation in a manner that suggests he was trying to be clever: "Torture is unlawful in the United States." "Gitmo," of course, is not "in the United States." The locations of the many secret prisons the U.S. established in other nations were chosen so that we could torture suspects. The infamous historical parallel for this is that it was unlawful to hold slaves in England -- but England could dominate the Atlantic slave trade and hold millions of slaves in the Caribbean islands because slavery was unlawful only "in" England under English law.
CLICK TO READ THE COMPLETE STORY
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